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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 20, 2012 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

In posting a response to the Allman Brothers 12/31/73 show . I though about how often when the band had a guest lead guitarist, it was a little disappointing .
For example, every guest appearance John Cipollina did with them, it seems to me, Garcia doesn't give him some space , and when he plays, he is not too loud ;last minute equipment problems, or is he being kept down in the mix, or is he just nervous ? It seems with some of Betts guests spots , I'm thinking' "damn, Jerry, let him go ". Is there some coke fueled Rock Ego tripping going on here ? There are some big exceptions, of course ; Santana's guest spots with them in the late 80's, come to mind .
So what is everybody's take on this ? Who shined, and who didn't . Stephen Stills ? David Hidalgo ? Pete Townshend ? Mick Taylor ( Weir actually takes slide solo in "Rooster" after him, talk about gall !) ?
Fite away .

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Dec 20, 2012 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

From what I have gathered through reviews and such is that it wasn't a Cocaine ego fueled situation. Jer was rather a humble dude, especially when another Ax was on stage. I believe it was more of the Mix situation. He was far from competitive, he would rather take a back seat to someone's short shorts any day.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 20, 2012 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

thanks for the pics

there aren't many of Jerry wearing tie dye

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 20, 2012 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

Thanks for the jg-carlos pic - I'd not seen that before. I think Jerry was actually generous to guest artists, creating space like an old jazz musician to let them solo. Sommetimes (like 70-02-11) there probably isn't enough equipment for everyone.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Dec 20, 2012 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&;v=kVbnnkqOxjI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&;v=4_DZuCSJap0

Some of the happiest I ever saw Jerry on stage was when he was backing someone else up.

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Poster: Pat Buzby Date: Dec 21, 2012 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

I remember watching the Closing Of Winterland DVD a while back and it seems like Cipolinna just stands there and stands there while everyone waits for him to do something, finally plays a few licks, and then goes back to just standing there.

Didn't seem to be due to competition from Jerry.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 21, 2012 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

You may be on to something . Maybe Garcia was prodding him "Come on MAN," and, for whatever reason, he seems reluctant to cut loose . It is a little disappointing .

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2012 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

Rock star coke trip? Man Jerry was the most selfless lead guitarist I can think of. In fact he didn't even consider himself one he consideed himself an emsemble player and/or accompanist. Very modest when playing with others it appears to me. I think the reason why so many are a dud is why so many all star jams are a dud. First you have to usually play with someone more than once to really gel and also they have to play something they all know or can wing so it's usually something rather basic, some sort of cover. Not always but a lot of times. Cippolina pretty much only did NFA and I always can hear him.

I would guess a lot of people would pick 2-11-70 Allmans as a big moment. One of my favs is Gary Duncan sitting in on 10-27 and 10-31-91. I like the Quicksilver sound being thrown in there. Sounds fresh and yet like the old days.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 20, 2012 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

I'm not a big Stephen Stills fan,but I think his two guest appearances in 69' are top notch.He was very familiar with the bands music judging by how well he integrated himself into it.If you listen to the Lovelight from 10/25/69 at about 3:15 you can hear him(in left channel) riffing along with Jerry and Bob in perfect unison,then at about 6:30 he joins in on some nice backing vocals,at 9:00 behind the box back nitty verse he peels off some raunchy licks under Pigs vocal,at 17:15 he starts to pick some nasty,chunky rhythm licks while Pig and Bob get to screamin',where he once again joins the vocal mix and starts belting along,all in all an almost seamless blend with the band.

http://archive.org/details/gd69-10-25.sbd.jagla.81.sbefail.shnf

At the 12/10/69 show he joins the band for an average/sloppy Casey Jones and a perfunctory Smokestack Lightning,but shines with some strong tandem playing with Jerry on Morning Dew.After the first verse Jerry plays a short,tight solo which Stills caps off perfectly with a few well placed notes at about 7:15,the second verse follows and at 8:45 or so Jerry and Stills begin a mellow,duel of rhythm/lead licks which results in a laid back but potent end jam,once again he manages to get right in the mix,especially with Jerry and Phil.He also does his own Black Queen that night,a quintessential 60's rocker,this might be the single best example of the GD rockin' out.

http://archive.org/details/gd69-12-10.sbd.gerland.10986.sbeok.shn

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 21, 2012 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

Stills seemed to enjoy his later visit at the Meadowlands in '83. I was at this show and while the version of "Love the One..." is a little clunky you can feel the energy and fun they were having.

http://archive.org/details/gd83-04-17.sbd.fink.14941.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 21, 2012 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

I caught both Jersey shows in 83' and like you said he and the band seemed to enjoy playing together and although it sounds clunky and chaotic at times there was an undeniable energy,scattered over the course of the songs he played on there are some interesting moments.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 21, 2012 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

My hints at Garcai not giving room, were based by comments from, I think Butch Trucks, about Jerry hogging the solo spots, but Betts smoking him in JBG ( Watkins Glen ? ) . As has been mentioned before, in Allmans/Dead threads , one has to take these comments in context of the respect/resentment/rivaary/love relationship these bands had/have .
But, generally I agree, Garcia seemed glad to have someone else do solo duty, especially later on . I am glad you brought up that 10-31-91 show , we all think of Cipollina, but Duncan is the other half of the classic Quick sound .

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 21, 2012 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

Come to think of it I don remember reading that too. Well I wasn't there on stage or in person for that show but I would tend to believe it either had to do with being excited or maybe chemical factors but not be related to any kind of showboating or ego trip.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Dec 20, 2012 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

my favorite is Mick Taylor 09-24-1988 he s so natural on West LA

next would be 05-02-1970 Marmaduke sitting in on FOTD

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 21, 2012 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

Strat . I love that "West LA" . The "Rooster" is pretty good, but, ya know, if I was Bob Weir, I wouldn't been able to do a slide solo, with one of the master slide players on stage . I wished Taylor did more with them .

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Poster: craven714 Date: Dec 21, 2012 4:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

Im gonna go with the G String as the best guitar spot

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Dec 23, 2012 2:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best guest guitar spots with the Dead ?

I posed this ? many months ago w/not so much guitar players but anyone who sat it.For me I remember 3 , Carlos Santana at the end of a show in Oakland Arena doing Sugar Mag, Steve Stills in the 80's Continental Center last song or encore of Black Pearl and Cippollina at a new years eve show at Kaiser Aud.An other noteable mention would be Steve Winwood on organ for a Dear Mr. Fanatsy in Winterland.He does also play great guitar so it's in there also.I think by all the responses of concert goers it appears it did not happen as often as people think it did or maybe it should have being their music lent it's self for walk-ons.Those long night jams w/ Jorma ,Jack and anyone who in town or even on the same bill are a part of music lore.Unrehearsed walk-ons just do not happen any more.One non Dead show was SRV on the Pier on the Hudson and during his set his brother came out and played the top guitar of a double necked model then this old blues dude Johnny Copeland joins in and then Steve Winwood takes over the B-3 duties.

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